Comments on: Patrick Lawrence: The Center the Centrists Can’t Hold https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/ Volume 29, Number 360— Wednesday, December 25, 2024 Thu, 19 Dec 2024 23:26:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: joey_n https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499064 Thu, 19 Dec 2024 23:26:44 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499064 In reply to Vera Gottlieb.

Will their US overlords allow that? Some EU countries, especially Germany, are host to US military bases.

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By: Alan Fitztalbot https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499054 Thu, 19 Dec 2024 16:13:31 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499054 Great article!

I do quibble, however — “neoliberal” is an unfortunate and somewhat misleading coinage. The agenda and attitudes of what is called neoliberalism is really better described as neofeudalism.

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By: Frank Lambert https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499051 Thu, 19 Dec 2024 15:43:38 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499051 In reply to Steve.

Are you familiar with the investigative findings by Greg Palast on election and eligibility rules in various states and “scrubbing” certain names in particular districts, mainly for those who are considered Democrats, especially black voters?

Between electronic voting, and mail-in ballots, a lot of fraudulent vote “counting” has happened, not to mention laws against poll takers outside election sites. The most honest way for voting and accurate vote count is by hand-counted paper ballots. As a former poll worker before the electronic machines were introduced, I can testify to the honesty of hand-counted paper ballots.

But back to Patrick’s article, “centrist” still means Right-wing and the word “neoliberal” is shylocking on a national level, in spite of the various definitions of it, at least in my opinion.

I highly recommend the book, ‘The Scourage of Neoliberalism From Reagan To Trump’ by Dr. Jack Rasmus, Professor of Economics (jackrasmus.com) which illustrates how many trillions of dollars the U.S. government lost with the escalation of tax cuts for the very wealthy and large corporations these past forty plus years.

And in Europe, Macron worked for the French Rothschild bank, so it shouldn’t be a surprise how unpopular he is with his “austerity” programs for the working-class. And Scholz of Germany is pathetic! A flunky for U.S.and Zionist imperialism for world conquest. And the sabotage of the Nordstream 2 pipeline which Germany needed for their economy, along with other European countries. And Starmer of England? Another fascist and flunky controlled by British imperialists and the Zionist bankers in the City of London.

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By: Carl Zaisser https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499044 Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:25:16 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499044 Not much specific mention here by PL about what the left and right can…and would…do, about some of the actual issues that PL mentions, in passing: immigration into Europe (the result of EU vassal states following their ‘leader’, the US, into a series of destructive wars from Afghanistan straight across the Middle East to Libya in North Africa), and the folly of denying the threat to Russia of NATO expansion since the end of the Cold War, which has led us ultimately to the lost cause of the Ukraine war as well as the end in Europe of affordable, plentiful natural gas from Russia now replaced with much more expensive LNGas from the US (the big winner in the short term) and other places. This has damaged European industry’s ability to produce competitively. Just ask Volkswagen in Germany as it acknowledges that it cannot now compete with China making electric cars. This is what is being discussed. We know what the ‘center’ parties have done. What would the left and the right parties do DIFFERENTLY? Something constructive, or some other folly leading to nowhere, and absence of substantive dreams.

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By: wildthange https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499041 Thu, 19 Dec 2024 02:24:22 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499041 It is easy to assess religious influence triangulating a two party system for years.They stopped Hillary once with Obama who was added in getting into the Senate to begin with. They got Biden as his VP. then McConnell made a deal for the Supreme Court before Trump was even nominated that kept Hillary out again and jettisoning Biden got another woman candidate out. Common thread possible progressive women.
Kennedy stopped Nixon i close election. LBJ had to boom North Vietnam due to losing the South by integration then Nixon is in to try and save South Vietnam with bombs. The players have centuries on everyone else with their religious empire of sadomasochistic profits on permanent wars crucifying the world on crosses to take over world culture.

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By: Guillermo Calvo Mahé https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499040 Thu, 19 Dec 2024 02:17:23 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499040 Interesting, enlightening and objective article concerning geopolitical realities carefully hidden from view for much too long. “Democracy”, like “terrorism” is whatever we say it is, whenever we chose to define it. So there!!!!

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By: Steve https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499031 Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:55:37 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499031 In reply to Bill Mack.

Yes …. and no.

I do believe that US elections are mostly fair, largely due to the LACK of centralization (which is why I am strongly opposed to any federal interventions in elections). It’s one heck of a lot harder to rig 50 state elections, each with their own idiosyncrasies and political environments, than it is to rig 1 federal election run by uni-party swamp dwellers.

That said, I do have great reservations about how many states changed voting rules on the fly in 2020 in violation of their state constitutions in order to prioritize mail-in voting during Covid. But what’s done is done. Most of those issues have been dealt with in the ensuing four years and there is no upside to re-litigating the past.

I also have some concerns about how a few states have implemented opaque vote-counting systems that can go on for weeks/months after the election. Even if they are completely legitimate and fair (and I’m not entirely sure they are), the optics are terrible when seats that went one way on election night slowly but surely get flipped after the election. It looks like they will just keep finding votes until they get the result they want. And I’m not buying the excuse that they can’t count all the votes on election day. India counted 640 million votes in one day. Brazil counted 125 million votes in one day. But I am supposed to believe that Arizona and California need nearly a month to count 3MM and 16MM votes respectively? Sorry, that is just a bridge too far for me.

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By: Litchfield https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499023 Wed, 18 Dec 2024 18:22:12 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499023 In reply to Bill Mack.

Not in 2020.
Jan. 6 was an op to derail any closer looks.

This time around, as DJT said, it was too big to rig.

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By: Litchfield https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499022 Wed, 18 Dec 2024 18:19:24 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499022 In reply to Joy.

Great comment, Joy!
Superior dot connecting.

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By: Vera Gottlieb https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/17/patrick-lawrence-the-center-the-centrists-cant-hold/#comment-499019 Wed, 18 Dec 2024 14:37:31 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121286#comment-499019 Somehow…the EU needs to open all windows and thus allow FRESH AIR to come in. Stale thoughts…stale ideas…same, old same.

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