Comments on: JOHN KIRIAKOU: The FBI Deserves Kash Patel https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/ Volume 29, Number 360— Wednesday, December 25, 2024 Sun, 22 Dec 2024 15:59:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: James Keye https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499177 Sun, 22 Dec 2024 15:59:02 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499177 In reply to David Otness.

The corrupt cannot be expected to challenge corruption, only to bend corruption into forms more useful to them. An abundance of evidence strongly suggests that Patel is as corrupt as Trump, et al., and not a reformer in the standard and useful sense. Ultimately, the people (complexly through the pressures of oligarchs) have given up their responsibilities of governance; the people do not govern themselves and have abandoned the responsibility to be informed and act with resolve, leaving the vacuum of power to be filled by people with clearly identifiable pathologies. It seems that this is a pretty standard progression in societal changes! (…this comment is n9t to be seen as defense of any other person or party.)

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By: MeMyself https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499171 Sun, 22 Dec 2024 04:28:17 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499171 In reply to David Otness.

Thank you for the update.

But the point remains the same to ignore and or replace constitutional intent with a hegemonic substitute.

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By: David Otness https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499163 Sat, 21 Dec 2024 22:46:22 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499163 Notwithstanding the rightfully negative comments prior to this one and peoples’ reasons a’plenty to doubt the ability of Patel or anyone else to clean the sordid mess that is the FBI, we at least have to express some actions toward doing so. We owe it to our own mythos of this country (ourselves and posterity) actually existing toward elevating the human condition. It’s our turn to actually struggle and battle forward and through.

The thing is, it MUST be stripped down from the top if is indeed at all possible. The self-righteous smugness of the FBI’s upper echelons whenever appearing before Congress tells us that, and their impunity during crucial testimony is an expression of just how far gone is our Republic.
And that expressed disdain for Congress by them is likely enough to have a foundation in having dirt on enough Congresspersons to assure their own protection during committee votes advancing prosecutions.

Yes, it will be one tough row to hoe, but do it we must, while hoping it does not collapse back into the sordid institutional clown show the Directors previous (Wray included and especially) have made and maintained it.
Among those rows to hoe are the impediments written in invisible ink across the agency’s history, the dirt in so many Beltway little black books on supposedly august establishment figures, a likely who’s-who of reputational self-protection writ in ‘omerta,’ the Sicilian Mafia’s code of silence. It is there in that stone wall that resistance will be most profound.

Speaking of Mafia, they had the goods on Hoover going back to the 1920s, having held pictures of his sexual proclivities for many decades. Coupled with the OSS/CIA’s partnerships with the underworld throughout the 20th century, this thing has all the makings of a very frustrating if not murderous maze to wander through.
Are there enough and big enough chain saws to cut through all of this trans-generational miasma? Who knows at this point. But try we must. To not do so is to concede our nation completely. To treasonous criminals.

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By: David Otness https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499162 Sat, 21 Dec 2024 21:59:44 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499162 In reply to MeMyself.

Unfortunately, Smith-Mundt was repealed and modified under Obama in 2015, thanks to the bi-partisan efforts of Sen Rob Portman (R-Indiana) and then-Representative Chris Murphy (D-Connecticut.) Replaced with the “Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act.”
hxxps://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/3274

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By: Steve https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499160 Sat, 21 Dec 2024 20:59:48 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499160 In reply to Mark J Oetting.

Yep,

Gabbard and RFK were both beloved by the Democrat establishment until they started to break with party orthodoxy, then they were excommunicated and became pariahs. Musk was also a much ballyhooed ally/donor of the Democrats until he started to commit heresy, then he became a target for retaliation which pushed him to the right. Who can forget Biden’s electric vehicle summit to promote EV market expansion that didn’t even bother to include the guy who held 75% of the domestic EV market share at the time? And that was back in 2021, long before Elon bought Twitter and began his flirtation with the right.

There are quite a few members of Trump’s inner circle who are anything but ‘far right’. Trump himself is not ‘far right’. He’s flipped back and forth between Republican and Democrat throughout his life. The original complaint the neocon Never Trumpers had against him was that he wasn’t a proper doctrinal conservative who prayed at the alter of William F Buckley and Milton Friedman. His politics have always been an incoherent mish-mash of conservative and liberal.

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By: Jim S https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499150 Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:26:04 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499150 Thank You John

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By: julia eden https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499149 Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:25:46 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499149 kash patel might dismantle the current FBI.
but he might put structures even more deeply
hateful of true freedom and TRUE democracy
[which has yet to be set up somewhere on earth]
in its place.

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By: Steve https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499140 Sat, 21 Dec 2024 13:12:34 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499140 In reply to James Keye.

I dunno.

I kind of like Patel’s idea of firing the entire 7th floor of the Hoover building (the executive floor), then shuttering the building and moving the rest of the employees to field offices around America. Most of the problems with the FBI stem from the political animals who rise to power in DC. As John said, ripping the Hoover building down to it’s studs would be a great start to fixing the organization. My preference would be razing it and then salting the earth, but that’s probably asking for too much.

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By: Mark J Oetting https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499136 Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:35:48 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499136 In reply to Lois Gagnon.

I would disagree Trump’s people are a mixed bag some are right wing fanatics and some are true patriots such as Tulsi Gabbard. I don’t know if Patel is the best choice but I do like the idea of ending the power of the FBI to conduct political witch hunts against any citizen who opposes government policies and mainstream media narratives regardless if they are from the right or the left.

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By: Casey VanSise https://consortiumnews.com/2024/12/20/john-kiriakou-the-fbi-deserves-kash-patel/#comment-499134 Sat, 21 Dec 2024 06:52:01 +0000 https://consortiumnews.com/?p=121483#comment-499134 “As [FBI whistleblower] Fred Whitehurst, a mustached Vietnam veteran sat, arms crossed, at the back of the room, Senator [Charles] Grassley went on to recount that it was ‘the FBI’s say-one-thing-do-another habit’ that made him hesitant to simply accept assurances that everything was now in order at the FBI lab. ‘The subcommittee’s investigation has revealed that systemic problems remain at the lab….The problems exist and flourish because of a cultural disease within the FBI,’ Grassley continued. ‘The question is, how will these changes ensure the integrity of the scientific process within the lab, which seeks to discover the truth, when a culture exists within the FBI to apparently cut corners and slant lab reports in favor of the prosecution, which seeks to convict. The IG report did not reconcile this dilemma. The FBI will not admit the problem exists. That is why we are here today.'”

Source:
“Prologue,” from John F. Kelly and Phillip K. Wearne, “Tainting Evidence: Inside the Scandals at the FBI Crime Lab” (New York: The Free Press, 1998), available on The New York Times website (archive.ph/hn5fJ)

…and here we are some twenty-six years later, the situation thus far unremedied (almost certainly much worse, actually), and this book that recounted the problem as it already existed in the pre-GWOT days at the “Turn of the Millenium” sadly out of print.

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